Seventh Annual Conference of Chinese Entrepreneurs Forum will be held March 3, 2007 -5 mm at the China Heilongjiang Yabuli ski resort was held, this year the theme is before the annual meeting of the Entrepreneurs Forum invited three guests of China online chat guest, Yabuli around the seventh annual meeting of the spirit of enterprise and society to discuss these topics. <<< Location: Sohu news conference room 12 floors
Time: January 19, 2007 15:00-16:30
host Sohu Business Channel Editor: Sohu Finance netizens Good afternoon! very happy to be here to share the first three teachers welcome guest Sohu Finance, today, we interview, Entrepreneurs Forum Seventh Annual Conference, will be noted that this meeting will be in the Lunar New Year held in China Yabuli ski resort, this year's theme of Entrepreneurs Forum partners, we invited the three gentlemen to the theme of this year to expand the discussion.
guests came to the chat room today, three guests were the Chairman of the Chinese Entrepreneurs Forum Mr. Tian Yuan, Chief economist Zhang Weiying, there are rotating presidency of Mr. Ren Zhiqiang. Our topic or from the Yabuli ski resort started.
2007 press conference live online forum Yabuli
Yabuli that we know that place is a small place, not many people know, since the China Entrepreneurs Forum after the legendary Yabuli ski resort. We would like to introduce Mr. Tian Yuan Yabuli how to do is name of this place Yang world, how can the fifteenth day of such a reunion, the whole of China outstanding entrepreneurs and their families to give up time to go there for?
Tian: Yabuli is a mountain ski resort , he once held the Asian Games in 1994, it became very well known in the country. In winter, this place is very good place for vacation. Yabuli and held in the next step for the 2009 World University Games, and possible side bid to host the Winter Olympics, so it is a good natural conditions. before the establishment of the forum, often a friend would find a place to reunite every winter look, skiing, relax, chat, talk about the past in the future, so such a place more suitable for more relaxed environment for everyone in the middle of the development of enterprises to exchange some views. so it is a more naturally developed in the Forum before, many people go to.
Since 2001 we have an idea, altogether in this forum to do a small, invite more friends to play a play take a look at the same time, the question of development of Chinese enterprises. Like a well-known abroad Forum: World Economic Forum. in Davos, Switzerland is also a a small mountain, is a ski town, it brings together many of the world's largest companies, so some people like Bill Gates are gone, you know, we have a lot of people have been to Davos. We want to first Chinese entrepreneurs concentrated in this place, first, to recreation, leisure and the environment in the middle of some of the major issues of enterprise development. This is our original idea, so in order to initiate a large number of Beijing-based entrepreneurs, the present Zhang and Chen Tung-sheng, Wang Wenjing, and so many entrepreneurs are sponsors Beijing. We started accomplishing just such an idea, this year the seventh year, and slowly began to like it a way out.
fifteenth is a happy day, entrepreneurs also need a round round to discuss issues of common concern, once a year, about three days to the rushing power, meet friends, explore the issue of enterprise development, exchange of exchange of views, and then the past year to our economy and the upcoming year will have any plans. One is to give everyone the opportunity of leisure; the second meet up with each other, the ideological charge of business development concerns. So now form a more natural phenomenon, to be notified when we came over as long. This year, Yabuli ongoing infrastructure construction, it next year, after construction of these facilities, face a significant improvement.
Moderator: I have always been Yabuli will live on in doing the work behind the scenes. But I know when each meeting are skiing during the day, we came back, and night meetings, we look through the video, I think it is not only a physical exercise for entrepreneurs Agitation is also an intellectual.
Tian: I remember the first year of the original 1 dollar Sohu shares, now how many dollars?
2007 press conference live online Yabuli
Forum Moderator: Now 26 dollars a . Mr. Zhang Chaoyang also left the forum in Yabuli Sohu imprinted growth. to briefly explain the theme of this year, why the interest in this topic it?
Weiying: entrepreneurs every year we will select a topic, the Title should be entrepreneurs themselves should be concerned with the social and economic development are closely related. Every year this forum is not to set an individual, are in fact collective wisdom, we sit out of a chat, this is the same, we have more than a dozen a director, everyone has their own point of view. my role is often to do some of them in this guide, more, and we can pay attention to these issues can be found on this part of the common. So not talking about each topic a person's contribution is our wisdom together.
why this year, concerned about this issue? fact, because we Chinese social development, the status of enterprises in the whole society to re-understanding. Just as the family is a cell of society the same enterprise in modern society is not only economic but also social cell cells. each individual relationship with society is an organization, one of the most important organization is the business, how to have a correct understanding of the business and social relations, is very important. a harmonious society must be based on effective corporate proceeding under the organizational system.
In addition, the regular activities of the corporate earnings, linked to social responsibility, this is not appropriate. in fact enterprise profit, tax, employment system itself is involved in social responsibility, one not, as some media reports that opposition. We want to pass such a forum, there is consensus on some basic issues can be. Of course addition, we also consider the sub-forums, sub forums more specific, from a certain angle to most of the entrepreneurs to talk about, talk about their views. to talk about the enterprises can not do without entrepreneurs, Entrepreneur Forum Yabuli the protagonist of this forum I just do as the chief economist of the subject matter of statements, more discussion is to entrepreneurs to participate.
Moderator: determined from the topics, you can see the exchange of entrepreneurs is very democratic.
Ren: All from a single entrepreneur is not an industry, not from a certain place, he is a multi-industry, a combination of many different places. Every year the question how come? is from a different angle reflected the concerns of entrepreneurs, social concerns, are concentrated here, they all have opinions. the role of Professor Zhang is the merger of similar items, and then upgraded, different views of similar issues to find a starting point , thus forming the theme of this conference, this year is basically a way to appear. June of this year's theme is theme issues of concern to us together set a focal point of synthesis, all the scoring Forum is the focus of this theme common classification into different types to explore, our whole theme, and sub-talks are linked, so it will be cause all the voices, no matter which party or which entrepreneurs from the industry, in Yabuli, different industries outside the main venue, there will be a variety of professional, our professional will be open to the three-point night, four points. because the good effect at night, where the natural conditions there are no other places to go, all the meetings are used up, all together to stimulate a collision, different views together, so as to make the forum an effect. If we always exchange between peers may not have this effect.
theme identified is the result of several rounds of discussions, we are not out of a discussion, the light of this is twice finalized theme, the formation of such an outcome. eventually, when the meeting actually began, these collisions may be issued under the theme of our future, inspired us more ideas, some may consider the issue from this angle Some may consider the issue from that perspective. These people will be brought up at the forum.
Moderator: Please Zhang business and society to continue to explain the topic in depth, we know the relationship between business and society interlinked blood from investors to consumers, to the interdependence of our society, the environment, business impact on us everywhere, we would like to ask the teacher to talk about the specific Zhang entry point, and then talk about the relationship between business and society.
2007 Forum Moderator Yabuli Prince press conference online resume
Weiying: We now know this community who you can be very limited. our contact with many people every day, but we do not know where they are. For example, we Buy IBM, we bought Mengniu milk, because we believe in IBM, we trust Mengniu. business is to provide a modern society of mutual trust between people the opportunity which the mechanism and basic way. Furthermore, why the company itself has a brand value? Enterprise we have established a good brand, so we trust it to be so well-developed society. so we want to see a company, Yili, Mengniu these companies, what is the contribution to us? not only taught these enterprises are tax, hire staff, more importantly, help build the social order, the transaction order. you can imagine, in the absence of large enterprises, we drink milk, it often is nervous or afraid to drink milk, we only porridge together, because drinking milk does not worry. Now, with this number of companies, we can boldly drink milk, so now the community's social order, the transaction order, been able to exist because there is business.
opportunities for people to know each other very limited, so the opportunities for and awareness of people may be less than one ten thousandth of the transaction, and a business, there are different people, these strangers, who know each other, in a special way to contact together, we do not know milk production staff, but we know that Mengniu, Yili, so you can rest assured to use milk. We do not know Chery staff, but this brand Chery this business, we are willing to buy it on the truck.
Moderator: Thank Zhang and Zhang recently was the understanding of business and society, the total field is the sum of any entrepreneur, your understanding of what kind of business, and also why you need to do business, is in your to do business, it already recognized the value of corporate social, or do the entrepreneurs to think about this issue before?
Ren: enterprise from an economic point of view, some people who wanted to do one thing organized is a form of organization. then look at the economic development of the world, who are the most efficient organized, if not organized process, in fact, everyone dispersed to do a job is the least efficient. social progress and social productivity, social division of labor is linked. to produce a thing may have numerous components, from start to finish I have mastered all the techniques, from start to finish down the production process may be long and wasteful, but if divided into different people together to do together, thus greatly improving efficiency and supply. When a person can not complete the work when completed, to rely on organizational forms to complete. From the perspective of capital, if a person limited financial resources, together together This money is great, a person limited power, combined together, this force is unlimited. a business case, a country as well. But the market economy, the economy is not so much for the balance of supply and demand, it is necessary differentiated by the market, in fact, one of the companies cells, transfer cells from the joint between them together, and finally result in increased productivity benefits, which is the most basic.
from us, from the Cultural Revolution after to the army, and then began to enter the reform group, our experience is not much before the reform and opening up the economic benefits of reform and opening up is to improve the social costs and benefits. We both know the reason for tough times ahead in the past, but also know how to with Deng Xiaoping's theory and thought to create a new industry and new businesses, to create a more productive, then more talk about their own business as a managed, in the community are highly efficient enterprise.
2007 Yabuli Forum Entrepreneurs Forum of online news conference rotating presidency of China Ren
Entrepreneurs Forum from all the members should are the best in the industry. They are using this common vision to create their own enterprises under the jurisdiction of the high efficiency, it is very important. is not to say we want to do business will be able to do business in the past companies that follow the leadership, production of the above I would say you produce this, the sales price in the market is set above, to sell to whoever you sell to whom. Finally, there is no cause there is no price competition in high-efficiency, resource allocation efficiency is very low, only companies play a leading role in social production, to produce the most efficient configuration, the firm is among the market economy was an important element of play, why do we call Entrepreneurs Forum do? the traditional sense, we can call these state-owned enterprises Management of cadres, can not ask companies home, but the emergence of non-public economy, began to enterprises, state-owned enterprises in accordance with government requirements in a number of things, more is not able to take privatization, privatization can if you take into entrepreneurs, so that business and society The relationship has changed the.
Zhang said business and society in the time to mention the subject, and now the community on the opposition to reform or that reform ideas have some more deviations, including the understanding of the living environment of the enterprise . now is not a good environment for enterprises to survive, up to the state-owned enterprises, the traditional monopoly of the business, down to the private enterprises, more do not think that social entrepreneurs play a role in promoting. but also for these enterprises to shoulder social responsibility and citizenship responsibility also to make some stringent requirements. For example some people think that Bill Gates donated so much money, why the Chinese companies do not donate so much money, and no Chinese companies together so much money, in the end what circumstances allow the normal development of enterprises ? can not unilaterally say that all of today's operators are bad, we talk about clear and some of the related reason. Only by fully understanding the market economy, the enterprise is a very important factor, providing adequate development environment, it may by the power of enterprise development to promote social progress. early days, Yunnan Wu Kegang raised the issue of commercial civilization, in fact he is also mentioned in the corporate status in society, called to promote social progress and who is primarily to create wealth . The business community not to blame more the third time allocation is not right, the third assignment is not to create wealth, the fundamental problem is to solve the problem of how to create wealth, it be possible to produce more secondary distribution. Now we are so poor on the over-emphasis, is equivalent to two brothers of a lazy a very smart, very industrious, very smart people may be a little rich, the poor are lazy and you, the rich to support the hard work is over lazy , then this person is getting lazy, and now the community has such a tendency, we just do not want to influence this trend of reform, but more is to give full play to the competitiveness of enterprises, and then push the whole society, not dependent lazy, but have your own public power, you have to help countries the right to have their rights to profits. otherwise is wrong, of course, we will be more about the meeting, Zhang prepared a special report, more more content we may come together in the forum discussions, and listen to all kinds of opinions, and then get a consensus and thus are likely to promote the progress of our society.
Moderator: improving society by doing business benefits, chief talked about some of his own feelings, the total field after the return from overseas began to do business, you have this piece of business and society, how to get to know you.
Tian: I have about this, I go to the countryside, soldiers, also authorities did. our generation, are in fact came from the Lao Sanjie, the Lao Sanjie this group of people, there is little concern for the fate of consciousness, so this is a fault.
Ren: This the result of the formation history.
Tian: In fact, we have north and south Yabuli forum dialogue entrepreneurs, entrepreneurs dialogue, the old office, Ma and Nan Cunhui dialogue, said: Entrepreneurs are the obsession with the North worry about private enterprise, the South do business entrepreneurs are to survive. So we are all entrepreneurs in the north, the market price liberalization, I also do research in this area, but also to visit, I found the Chinese futures mechanism may be introduced into China helpful, so I have done more in this work, it was while working in the government. I was in Chicago to learn, to see a lot of Japanese, Americans do futures prices in the lobby of the world, is a World Financial Center, but no Chinese. So I have an idea, the futures in China should have its development. So I am willing to do this to eat crabs, that time is still very hazy idea very far, did not expect to return time to do such a financial institution and have a place, then the Japanese par. we have done over ten years, finally made a business, more than Japan, and the enterprise of any say as old, and we regarded as the industry leader in our industry, accounting for 12% of the company, and I very much agree with the views of both of them, but also the process of doing some business sense, people trust products or trust company? actually trust products and services through the end trust companies. all brands, including, financial services and products behind the brand have a business, entrepreneurs behind this enterprise, and the first generation of entrepreneurs in the creation of trust in the brand is essentially the process is to make very large contributions, and now China is also the first generation, second generation of essentially no stage.
2007 Yabuli Forum Entrepreneurs Forum of online news conference, President of China, Tian Yuan
Now China is basically in charge of the first generation of entrepreneurs to create a brand task, we are seeing a bigger house entrepreneurs, the car better, higher income, rarely see their working hours, they were twice the pressure, three times or more, their family and many of their Many have lost their lives. We all know that to conquer the world, when Chairman Mao created the Republic, Chairman Mao, many relatives were poor. all that entrepreneurs tend to produce a society that is obtained from the possession of a lot cheaper, is not it just take some of their views? I think Chinese enterprises today is not yet mature status, China has just entered the market with foreign competition in the global status of the time. Now, China and the world which dares to five hundred business enterprises to competition? In addition to national enterprises, from Nan Cunhui and Schneider's case, if we do not compete on the world market, people will support the country's business, even if you have done well, people overnight a change between the brands, our enterprises have failed. I think this danger exists.
Ren: People can be the simplest way of capital operation, put us out of business from the market.
Tian : I think the future of this phenomenon is the trend may also, if the confidence of the entrepreneurs problem, we now say that doing business is not good, why should we want to be a bad guy. let the entrepreneurs confidence; make entrepreneurs think is an honorable thing to do great things. of course, entrepreneurs also have their own shortcomings, everyone need to be perfected, which is the entrepreneurs to pay attention, after all, we were to face the public in the community, to face all aspects of evaluation. a business out of the question, it will implicate the other enterprise, this is not but pay attention to. so it should be said that business and society are inextricably linked and should be more of those between business and society that cherished things. those of us who do business, no matter how tough business, we should also do a good job, but more important is the next generation, they will not choose to be entrepreneurs, if they are willing to do business and lead more people to do enterprises. Now I think people who do business in China is not much but a little, you see thousands of people now move to apply for civil servants, private enterprises are unable to recruit to recruit people.
Ren: In fact, the employment of private enterprises number of people have been accounted for 70% of the community to 80%, but the society is not called that employment in private enterprises, in particular, that young people have been successful only to see the achievements of these entrepreneurs, and now may be the winners survive, but run enterprises and reform the first time, more entrepreneurs are doing a stepping stone, so that some entrepreneurs succeed. such as our 20 years of history, the real count was, and we also start a business that few alive, many businesses only ten year history, and can not stand the test of competition in the market or in the storms is difficult to ensure that they do not suffer a setback.
in such complex situations, our society does not give these entrepreneurs are successful even some support for entrepreneurs, as if they were, but their enterprises are still wandering among the storm is likely to collapse one day, if they do not have such a fighting spirit, or continue to move against the current, they will be left out to back, we can look at our rich list, an annual replacement is very high, while the United States and Russia rich list is almost constant, and they already have anti-business risks, they have their own core technology and resources, or the finish has become a very strong capital accumulation, so these companies with the industry in which we are continuing the struggle, not wanton enjoy the results we have achieved, but bring these funds in order to ensure the survival of enterprises to work on. Nan Cunhui is a typical example, he did not use foreign capital to the acquisition of peer companies, he can not do, although he has been very successful, but you are in the market, companies can not get this far, but in society, or people's eyes, he has been incredibly rich, if compared with me, he is already astronomical, but his wealth has been put into practice to create wealth which, in order to create more jobs and to create more wealth and their products, he could not become a consumer, nor can one day walk away between the companies sell, this is there are no see. discuss the relationship between business and society, we may be more and more attention is how to create a good social environment for enterprise survival and development of a competitive room.
our business is basically at the start-up period, no mature styling products and continuous development of research capacity, there is no grasp of the core technology, especially processing enterprises, especially so, could face any problem at any time, for example, patent issues, and a frustrating experience. This may be a situation faced by Chinese entrepreneurs.
Weiying: I added point, because I am not doing business in, but I have been studying 20 years of business. a person to do business, almost already carry a heavy cross. such entrepreneurs to do business not the same as with ordinary people, ordinary people I just do not say that crime would send me to work on time wages, and entrepreneurs if they can not meet customer needs, it can not create value. entrepreneurs must have a profit, this profit is itself a duty, a source of profit first meet customer needs, creating value for customers, only that does not work, but also to create value, all costs are the responsibility of paying all finished, and then the rest is up to you, if not left on without you. We generally assumed what is it? Most people assume just assume negligence, the so-called negligence I just do not make mistakes or, more strictly speaking, as long as the others did not find that I make mistakes, I do not make mistakes. For example, you crashed the thing, the police did not find, you did not do. entrepreneurs, if you do not find the ultimate mistake, then the error is yours. is your thing, the production can not sell out, you do not find people to make mistakes, to fend for themselves nothing with, to find not someone else's mistake is your mistake, this is the entrepreneur, this in itself is a responsibility of the person to do business, in fact, carrying a heavy cross.
2007 Record Yabuli China Forum press conference online Entrepreneurs Forum Entrepreneurs chief economist Weiying
of course many different types of people, I talk about a healthy society, the real entrepreneurs are they doing? believe that society, and by swindling these people could not long survive. < br> Ren: a successful, but not permanently successful.
Weiying: Can you cheat once, twice, but can not fool go, if the company deceived customers, cheating employees, not to give them wages, and that there is no way to do so, so in a competitive market, entrepreneurs play such a role.
Moderator: Thank you three gentlemen, this society without an effective business organization, we really can not imagine a society, Enterprise is a matter of social development, China is in the oil market the world's largest importer of oil. but no say on the purchase price of crude oil, a very important reason is that there is no fixed value of the futures market, I believe that as future futures market development, the situation will gradually change, I believe this change among the role of entrepreneurs is very important. To me, before our society lacks knowledge of the market economy, the natural wealth of the lack of understanding. my children relatively small, I want the children's education in traditional Chinese culture, bought a set of books, half afraid to talk about the results, the Magic Brush Ma Liang example, right in the middle, you will find that we are all poor, but the emergence of a the rich must be the villain.
Ren: There may include br> Moderator: chief, as a representative of the real estate industry, is now able to talk about some phenomena, we see that the pressure of the people made their own body in the real estate business, or aspects of the sound is irrational the community now, especially since the phenomenon of high prices, there is a serious confrontation between the real estate business sentiment. we are talking about a broad public opposition to enterprises is the industry on a misunderstanding or a concrete manifestation. either can not always combine your own Department of industry talk about their feelings.
Ren: the more prominent real estate companies, in fact, there are also other industries such opposition inside. such as hospitals, health care reform on the issue, on education, it also appeared kinds of opposition, but not strongly to such a degree, because the housing problem is no one person can Lide Kai, but the hospital's problems and education, a stage can be Lide Kai.
Weiying: medical, just , Ye Hao education reform, these do not have a focus on the target.
Ren: macroeconomic regulation and control of them, one of the real estate as a regulation, but education is not, because education is to expand the investment scope, the hospital is not in the hospital to build community Security is also an expanded range, whereas a different point of view, the real estate subject to a restrictive more than other industries. In the most prominent health care, education, housing issues, the problem may be caused by the reflection of the house is the largest . I think this may be an inevitable reasons.
the second is basically the first two government responsibility, while the latter is the responsibility of government responsibility and the market can not tell, and more conscious mix it, then The same is the case of the absence of government, such as the absence of education, still a reasonable estimate of 4%, and many can not enjoy free compulsory education, etc., housing problems too, but because of its side of the market, so conflicts absence from the government and the error on the transfer market this side, if you assume that there are health and education and the market side, may also appear similar to the real estate situation is not the real estate business is not as a pillar industry of the country, nor is it We did not see because of the real estate market before more people can live Shanghao house. just like our education enrollment, although there are various problems arbitrary charges, but after all we have seen so many students out of After all, improve the cultural quality that so many people, we do not see this advantage. The same problems that may focus on the most problems in real estate, including the first land of gold, a lot of people said, we oppose the main is not a normal development, but the opposition and officials linked to collusion and corruption, the use of the system of corruption situation in the land adverse phenomenon, but actually happened to a certain extent, put it confused, and to think that all of the real estate must have the land corruption, the problem must have pot of gold, or profits, and so must be.
from the industry point of view, these statistics show that public opinion and our view and the actual occurrence, is a great gap . like the recent introduction of the real estate tax, like the introduction of a tax would collapse like this, in fact, introduced 93 years on, I checked about our special tax situation, we find that after tax from the beginning, most companies are in accordance with the rules to pay land tax, because the new tax does not exist there would not have done, why has this view? that real estate is profits, income tax does not seem like tax evasion, and is not the case, because most of the profits rate is not so high, so do not pay, but in fact the past few years the VAT rate to 80% average annual growth rate, essentially doubling the past, why not? because of previous losses, there is no such a high profit margins, and therefore it VAT will not have to pay VAT for all items, such as 1600 dollars is not enough to pay my personal income tax. This is the people's misunderstanding, it seems that after a pay value added tax, to collapse, or no profit, or price significant changes to occur, we can see after the introduction of nine stocks are in decline, in fact, all listed companies to pay VAT on time, even if there was no settlement without pay, but also to extract from the account, such as there are tens of millions of Vanke prepaid preparation, this is extracted, can not say when the settlement of the profit or non-payment of tax evasion, not realistic. but had a misunderstanding, all the people hastened to throw the stock, because this business is entirely a policy collapsed, and this is completely wrong understanding.
real estate is to pay the land transfer of the land, I think: low income should not pay to live in the land transfer land to live on the house. If we allow low income to pay the land transfer payments to the expansion of the housing is not unfair to you? low-income people to pay if the land transfer were to buy real estate, high income earners to buy affordable housing, this is even more inequity. We are more than economic sociology of science or moral point of view but from the idea to start to talk, why he should buy, the reason is very clear, he should not pay the land transfer, the state should be white to the land, I have repeatedly said many times, but still people ...
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